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Here's some errant teaching from a very strange theological position:

"Bottom line problem with the church: they ALL believe you have to die. If you are also giving your agreement to DEATH I would encourage you to take a serious look at John 8:51 where Jesus said "I tell you the solemn truth, if anyone obeys my teaching, he will never see death." God ahead and look at it in context. The Jews knew EXACTLY WHAT he meant.

CHURCH people are the ONLY ones who can look at that verse and say: "Well yes once you die you will live forever" <-- that is NOT EVEN CLOSE to what Jesus said. He said you will ever even SEE death. "But, but, but everyone dies you see so we cannot believe that"

Have you ever thought that maaaybe everyone dies BECAUSE we don't agree with the words of Jesus? (And not everyone dies btw, Enoch, Elijah, there are others in church history as well, Sundar Singh comes to mind.) AND what's even weirder is that the church SIMULTANEOUSLY believes in the RAPTURE when an ENTIRE generation will skip death. but I guess they just don't want to think that their obedience has anything to do with it, but what did Jesus say again?"
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A straight-to-the heart message from our preacher this morning has me reeling. His subject was "How do we deal with Christians who sin?" The passage he based it on was the Lord's 'restoring' of Peter in John 21. The summary:- we treat Christians who sin as Jesus did. Pretty obvious. But I have not previously heard this unpacked from this passage.

Peter had obviously sinned greatly in his three-times denial of his Lord. But as Jesus deals with him, there is no condemnation, no accusing, no 'I told you so'. Jesus doesn't even mention his failure. He just asks the one question - three times.

"Simon Peter, son of Jonas, do you love me?"

We have commented many times, in the light of our new-covenant understanding of who we are in Christ, on the sad preoccupation it is possible to have, even as believers, with the legalistic 'is this sin', 'is that sin' kind of walk (more of a stagger, really). Jesus' counselling style with Peter shows that the sinning of a believer is a love issue. His love for Peter is not at issue - He has just died and risen for him. Even Peter's love for Jesus is not in question; as Peter says, "Lord, YOU KNOW that I love you". What is happening here is Peter's practical realisation of the Christ-given love for Christ that is in his heart now. And this is what Jesus clarifies - by bringing the words from Peter's own lips. Jesus asks until it hurts. So that Peter really, really knows that his Lord has heard him say.

And it strikes me that when we fall or falter, our restoration - that of vitally Spirit-dowsed hearts - is also a love issue. We need to know anew that our supreme need is to know - really know - that we love the Lord. We don't need to itemise sin, apart from so that we don't secrete it away and ignore it; so that we are not blinded to it and in denial. Neither does Jesus. It is His reminder of our love for Him that restores us and gets us on our feet again. The song goes:

"Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
Look full in His wonderful face,
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim,
In the light of His glory and grace. "

So will your failings, your fallings likewise dim.

And then, there's one more thing. The love of our precious Lord is inextricably bound up with our love for and our serving of those who are also His sheep.
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Douglas Moo on Romans 7:6
"While, however, still preoccupied with the law, Paul knows where he wants to go eventually in his argument, and so he announces it in the last part of this verse: "so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of letter." This is the second time in Romans that Paul has used the letter/Spirit contrast (cf. 2:27-29). As in this earlier text, the antithesis is not between a misunderstanding or misuse of the law and the Spirit, nor even, at least basically, between the outer demand and the disposition to obey, but between the Old Covenant and the New, the old age and the new. The essence of the old, or Mosaic, covenant, is the law as an "external," written demand of God. "Serving" in the old state created by the "letter" meant not, as the Jews thought, a curbing of sin, but a stimulating of the power of sin -- and "death" is the end product of sin (v. 5). Now, though, the believer, released from the bondage of the law, can serve in the new condition of "serving in the Spirit" (Rom. 8), he pauses to explain further the condition of "serving in the oldness of the letter," and of being "in the flesh" where law arouses sinful passions." (7:7-25). [Douglas Moo: The Epistle to the Romans, pages 421-422]
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We can make much mileage from arguments from silence, a lot of which will be pure conjecture with no foundation. But occasionally, what is not said is important and significant. For example, when Jesus teaches in what we have come to know as 'the Sermon on the Mount', He uses the 'recipe':
"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago... but I say to you... "

Firstly, He does not say 'God said... but I say'. Apart from the fact that that would have been like pouring petrol on a fire where the Jews were concerned, it's as if He is deliberately down-toning the Mosaic Law, and the Ten Commandments. He is, of course, claiming to have God's authority to 'upgrade' to the new covenant, and we see that that cannot be God arguing with God!

Second, He says 'you have heard... '. Again, not, as in other places, 'it is written' - for example, in His authoritative rebuke to the devil's temptations.

Thirdly, Jesus places a firm timestamp on this. It was said 'to the people of old'. He is dramatically demonstrating the emergence of what we might term 'kingdom ethics', which start in the heart. The 'old' laws merely pointed towards it. Here is the real deal.

So it seems to me quite clear that, irrespective of the content of these new requirements, Jesus is deliberately placing the old covenant Law where it always was - in His shadow. He is the substance.
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The teaching of the Son of God, as recorded by those who were 'ear-witnesses', must not be regarded as a means to improve or correct that of the old covenant. Neither must it be seen as to be only temporary, until the cross, for those yet under Mosaic law. Else, why would Jesus have appointed Scripture-writing Apostles to lay it down so that it would be God's word for us? The Lord's teaching is not even only a bridge between the covenants, transporting us from one to the other in our understanding, and making it possible for those yet under the old to 'cross over' . What Christ's teaching ministry does is to demonstrate that all that went before must be regarded, not as a platform, but as a ramp - a means to climb to the exemplary, unparallelled, unsurpassed revelation of God in and through the One who is His exact image. ... See MoreSee Less

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Is it correct to say that Israel is Gods chosen people? ... See MoreSee Less

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In love,
Your Friendly Admins.
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Forgive me for my ignorance for I'm still new to NCT.

What is the NCT view on eschatology?
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So when David the giant killer was running for his life from Saul and playing the madman, God remained faithful to David. What grace! What love! ... See MoreSee Less

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